stick, if you want to control your car and get a feel for it go with a mangual tranny

 

Stick is also faster on these cars or does it matter

 

Stick's definately better for performance road and track driving.

If it's a transpo car for going to work and you like drag racing, then an auto is pretty sweet; the 4F27E automatic in the Duratec Foci have an excellent shift map. The shift points relative to throttle position and RPM are perfect and you have the option of shifting manually by electric switch into and out of Overdrive. That's perty kewl...

 

Have you driven a stick before? Do you commute a lot?

I own a stick, and love every minute of it. However, there are times when I wish I had an auto...and for my type of driving I wouldn't loose much performance wise. If you are not into autocross, or road racing then I say go auto. With a couple upgrades it would be killer on the drag strip.

 

Sticks get signifcantly better MPG as well.

 

stick period

 

ATX BABY!! IT'S THE ONLY WAY TO DRIVE!

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If you're after fast, you'll need to be more clear. The stick-shift will get you around corners faster. The automatic will get you faster in a straight line.

 

love my atx but im also a drag racing kinda guy.

 

If you're after fast, you'll need to be more clear. The stick-shift will get you around corners faster. The automatic will get you faster in a straight line.

I'm not sure if i agree with that. You can launch harder and quicker with a stick, and you put more power to the wheels through a manual than an automatic. I would say auto is faster if you are not a good stick driver, but that's about it.

 

An automatic can shifter faster than any stick driver, and it'll shift much faster after some modification. And while it does have some parasitic loss for power, it increases your torque at launch.

 

Yes an automatic that is moddified and using high stall speed torque converter can be quicker than a manual trans, but not in stock form.

 

ATX BABY!! IT'S THE ONLY WAY TO DRIVE!

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stick stick stick stick.

 

Is there any traffic where you live? Any stoplights? Any stopsigns?...

Just kiddin' there, desert rat.

 

New to the Focus scene, but if you know how to drive stick, get a stick, if you don't, learn man.! Come on people, you only do half the driving in auto cars, the ECU does the rest...no fun in that. Any stick car will be a bit quicker then it's auto twin, if you know how to launch right and shift right. Now if you have a turbo that spools to 25psi plus, and the rpm's shoot up faster then you can even think of shifting, go with an auto..
Anyone..?
You can save some break expenses by downshifting too...

 

if you know how to drive stick, get a stick, if you don't, learn man.! Come on people, you only do half the driving in auto cars, the ECU does the rest...no fun in that. Any stick car will be a bit quicker then it's auto twin, if you know how to launch right and shift right.

Some of us, like me, shift for a living now. I drive tractor/trailers in Southern California traffic.

I've been heel-and-toe double-clutch downshifting since I was fifteen years old. I am also a gearhead. I was making shift charts for my buddies for our 21-speed mountain bikes so we could know for sure exactly where the next ratio was...

I enjoy automatics and know enough about them to exploit their strengths. The shift map, which is ECU controlled, is excellent in my 2.3's 4F27E.
It is very driveable for sport.

Since you have asked, I will answer you in this way:

Calm down on the manual/automatic thing. I can tell you're a young buck, and think that anyone that drives an auto is a moron or something.

I assure you, Sir, that I will lap faster on a roadcourse than you and your stick, because I know how to drive, period. We will even swap cars; you drive mine and I'll drive yours. Again, I will be faster.

BTW, Welcome to [FJ]focaljet!

 

I've been heel-and-toe double-clutch downshifting since I was fifteen years old.

I'm always granny-shifting, not double-clutching like I should. I'm lucky that hundred-shot of NOS didn't blow the welds on the intake.

On a serious note, does double-clutching really provide any benefit when your transmission is packed full of synchros in every gear?

 

On a serious note, does double-clutching really provide any benefit when your transmission is packed full of synchros in every gear?

The way I learned to get it right is with broken synchros, when they were made out of brass; now they have friction material similar to what's in an automatic trans...

Using a double-clutch for downshifting a manual will preserve the synchros from undue wear, that's about it.

Part of the double-clutch procedure is rev-matching, which can be done w/o the double-clutch; that merely ensures a smooth transition when the clutch is let out on the next lower gear.

 

I match revs on downshifts, and I can even heel-toe fairly decently. I just didn't get why you'd need to let the clutch out in the middle of it, or how you could do that with any speed.

So, the only reason to double-clutch is to preserve synchros, which aren't doing you any good anyway if you're double-clutching?

 

if you know how to drive stick, get a stick, if you don't, learn man.! Come on people, you only do half the driving in auto cars, the ECU does the rest...no fun in that. Any stick car will be a bit quicker then it's auto twin, if you know how to launch right and shift right.

Some of us, like me, shift for a living now. I drive tractor/trailers in Southern California traffic.

I've been heel-and-toe double-clutch downshifting since I was fifteen years old. I am also a gearhead. I was making shift charts for my buddies for our 21-speed mountain bikes so we could know for sure exactly where the next ratio was...

I enjoy automatics and know enough about them to exploit their strengths. The shift map, which is ECU controlled, is excellent in my 2.3's 4F27E.
It is very driveable for sport.

Since you have asked, I will answer you in this way:

Calm down on the manual/automatic thing. I can tell you're a young buck, and think that anyone that drives an auto is a moron or something.

I assure you, Sir, that I will lap faster on a roadcourse than you and your stick, because I know how to drive, period. We will even swap cars; you drive mine and I'll drive yours. Again, I will be faster.

BTW, Welcome to [FJ]focaljet!

Thanks for the spanking (and the welcome, glad to have found FJ), I've been sitting here waiting for it.. Truth is, I am a young buck (24), but I learned how to drive with a stick, at 11 years of age, and driven them since then (no trailers though).. I had an auto Sport Trac for a while and was rear ending everyone cause it was sooo damn boring. Hence the switch to the stick D20E.
Listen Dad

, no way do I think you are a moron, don't know you that well, but at the same time, you don't know how I drive. On that note, I would love to step in the track with you with two equal cars, and if you smoke me, I'll just learn from you till you're doing the chasing.. Till then, relax on the spankings..

Fact is fact, and with a stick you have much more control over your vehicle. You don't see F1, GT, Le Mans, WRC cars cruisin autos now, do you..? I think there is a reason for that.
If you haven't realised, not much of a straight line type-o-guy.. When it comes to females and driving, I LOVE curves..

 

I had an auto Sport Trac for a while

I'm sorry. I drove one of those once.

You don't see F1 cars cruisin autos now, do you..?

F1 cars use a paddle-shift clutchless manual transmission, and the driver is only allowed to upshift. Downshifts are handled by the computer, lest the driver destroy the engine. It's really only slightly more involved than a normal slushbox.

 

True that, but they have that choice of holding their gear in, which is quite important for those curves I LOVE..

The Sport Trac wasn't all that bad honestly, believe me, it took a lot of abuse before the tranny gave out...

 

Fact is fact, and with a stick you have much more control over your vehicle. You don't see F1, GT, Le Mans, WRC cars cruisin autos now, do you..? I think there is a reason for that.

Gee, I never realized that!

Thanks for pointing this out to me!

But you did see, until it was banned in F1, semi-auto computer-controlled shifting...

And, of course, the ne plus ultra of racing transmissions in the WRC these days, SEQUENTIALLY SHIFTED MANUALS...

The bummer in street cars is the torque convertor

J/K, Dude...What is thy name and from where dost thou hail? O Young Buckee...

And BTW, Jim Hall and his Marvelous Chapparal's, back in the day against the likes of Hulme, McLaren (THE McLaren) and other notable World Champions, gave those guys a run for their money in an automatic...

But I digress.

 

Because I have nothing better to do than post whore, I'll point out that he's from Chicago.