[ZX3autoxtasy]

Hey guys, I was bored as hell in class and got to thinking.



Disclaimer: I will NEVER actually do this, and it is just a discussion on the theory of the whole idea...
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Ok, so say you have a Turbo'd car with fully built engine.

Could you not, in theory, have a tank say in the passanger seat with say 200psi of compressed air in it. My idea, is that you could use pressure fittings and fit it into either (A) the intake manifold (B) the exhaust manifold or (C) somewhere on the turbo.

Then, get some sort of custom program and valve created that when you progressively release the compressed air into the system, the injectors/fuel management system will up the gas going into the engine, giving you an boost through the added psi from the air tank.

So theoretically, you could have a turbocharged car with 10psi running, and say at 4000rpm WOT the engine releases the air and gas until the redline, giving you say 50psi, with NO turbo lag. I understand the crazy stress on the engine, hence the fully built engine.

I know, it's outlandish and impractical, but for Drag Racing Runs it seems like a viable "theory". Also, you have to refill the airtank everytime.

 

[belacyrf]

How are you going to get it compressed into the tank?
Turbo's already compress the air as a function of the compressor. You would benefit more filling that tank with C02 to super cool the charge

Your idea is already done, since that's what turbo's and superchargers do... the only way to compress it further is to cool it.
http://www.cryo2.com/products.asp?m=sp&pid=1

 

[Winkty]

Volume is the problem. You won't be able to deliver the volume the motor needs to make pressure out of a small tank and/or small air line. You may see pressure for a SPLIT second....but no more than that. Remember that you need to out flow the motor to gain pressure.

 

[brads03zx3]

How big of a tank are you planning on throwing in the passenger seat? The compressed air will not last very long as the motor uses quite a large volume of air.

Here's another thought...how about using compressed gas that has more oxygen that air?? Now that is an idea!!!





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[Reza]

You can do this

Use you AC to get a Cold Air.

Sorry I thought this was the funniest thing i have ever seen.

 

[Reza]

you can always use watter/methanol injection kit. the Turbo guys use it with good results.

 

[brads03zx3]

That is an awesome pic :lol::lol::lol::lol:

 

[Pak]

I'd second that on the pic! But yes, the turbo/supercharger is already compressing the air. Compressing air heats the air molecules up. So the only real beneficial way to make more power is to cool the air.

But let's say you did have a tank of compressed air in your seat. The second you let that air out of the tank, it decompresses, which causes the air molecule temperature to drop. Just like those compressed air cans you use to clean out your keyboard. You wouldn't really benefit from "spraying" more air into the engine because the air coming from your tank would be decompressed. Essentially it wouldn't fit into the engine after all the air you've shoved into it with the supercharger/turbo.

But if you used that compressed air tank to spray onto your intake manifold, you might be able to reap the benefits of the colder decompressing air to lower your intake temperature.

 

[LornesBored]

heres another spin, couldn't instead of buying an expensive turbo, just have your air compressor hooked up to the intake pipe and shoot some compressed air through there? :evilgrin:

 

[brads03zx3]

you mean like this

leaf blower dyno

 

[LornesBored]

it kinda works too, but imagine blasting it with all that compressed air, it would probably need to be cooled a bit don cha think?

 

[bustonit]

Ok, we blast compressed air from a tank into the intake.......somehow regulated....and have a mic tuned for this....

Why is it I can see some fool dumping 50 psi straight from the tank and grenading the motor....I see a new ebay item on the way....get on board quick$$$$$...suckers !!!!!!!!!!

 

[MUTTLEE]

Growing up in the R/C world, my buddy and I tried this on a spare Picco .21 engine of mine. I regulated my air compressor to 10psi and stuck the rubber-tiped air gun down the carb venturi, all this while the engine ran full bore clamped down in a bench-vise. Running 30% nitro, IT DID MOMENTARILY REV UP until it finally chuk'd the rod. Although the engine may have been hurt from the "Hey I know, let's add acetone to the tank !" session from the prior day.

 

[bustonit]

this is akin to the sudden boost of the Thomas Knight electric superchargers...flip a switch and instantaneous boost.....

 

[JgGravy]

I think, if you got a large enough tank(full back seat and trunk) and filled it with say.... 200 psi. If you could release it at a constant rate of 50psi or so for an extended period of time. You could get your hair to fly back like you were on a bike or something!

N2O would probably be your best bet, since oxygen i believe is illegal to carry around in a vehicle unless you have one of those cool signs.

 

[John at J&S]

That's been done before. A.K. Miller had an installer with some wild ideas, and he put a large tank of compressed air in the passenger seat. He turned the valve by hand as he drove. I didn't pay attention when he told me how he got the air into the engine.

 

[OrangeSVT03]

Well a good Oxygen tank "should" be able to hold about 800psi. Just get a regulator and set it where you need the psi level and using a simple fast opening gate valve for the On/Off switch.

 

[AcIdBuRn02ZTS]

i always thought about using just compressed oxygen instead of nitrous... considering nitrous is roughly a 40/60 nitrogen/oxygen mix...

so 100% oxygen would give more of a bang....

and most oxygen tanks hold around 2500-3500psi... atleast the ones at our shop do...

-AcId-

 

[ZX3autoxtasy]

i always thought about using just compressed oxygen instead of nitrous... considering nitrous is roughly a 40/60 nitrogen/oxygen mix...

so 100% oxygen would give more of a bang....

and most oxygen tanks hold around 2500-3500psi... atleast the ones at our shop do...

-AcId-

Lol. OXYGEN out of the air isn't 100% oxygen. I remember reading its like 40% oxygen 60% carbon dioxide, or even less.

Pure oxygen (that much of it) would be $$$$$$$$$$$$$

 

[belacyrf]

Yes lets not forget about fuel!

You will need to compensate for the added air by adding fuel...