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Twin VR6 VW Lupo!!!

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2.2K views 21 replies 11 participants last post by  kimbo305  
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that's bvadass....is it only in the engine bay or do they have one in the rear (video diary wasnt loading for me)

still love the APR R32 launch at the track and the AudiTT with two engines (one infront and one in rear) the best....that thing was sick.
 
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kimbo305 said:
I followed this forever and then dropped out while it stalled.

How did the owner end up accomplishing AWD drive for the 2 engines?
not really awd, more like 4wd. engine in the front driving the front and engine in the rear, driving the rear.
 
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Yup, two separate engines. They even start the engines separately. They call it a W12, but it isn't (as they don't share a common crankshaft). Cool idea, looks pretty fast in a straight line, but I really wonder how predictable it would be on a road course. There is a common clutch, throttle, and gear selector. The clutch setup was a hack job, but most of the other stuff looked pretty decent. I like the Lupo, especially with way more tire, wheel, and power than it was ever destined to have :D
 
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The same thing has been done with a Tiburon. V6s front and back driving each set of wheels.
 
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natedog_1959 said:
Drive by wire and automatic transmissions would make all this much easier. A couple turbo Duratecs in a Focus would be pretty cool. Nate
im almost positive (a little fuzzy) someone did do a double-Zetec focus...maybe it was just a rear-engine focus:dunno:
 
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kimbo305 said:
Ouch so if there's flex or stretch in the throttle cable to one engine or the other, the wheel speeds will be off? That sounds super tricky to calibrate / drive.
I'd bet they use hydraulics instead. Stripped car gives you the ability to run a long straight... and just use the same amount of fluid in each (other one just having a longer piston. The pedals attached to each other, means they'd share the resistance.
 
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CheckMyVitals said:
I'd bet they use hydraulics instead. Stripped car gives you the ability to run a long straight... and just use the same amount of fluid in each (other one just having a longer piston. The pedals attached to each other, means they'd share the resistance.
I wonder if he could also rig up some sort of mechanical speed control or feedback system to lock the speeds of the front and back wheels to each other...
 
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kimbo305 said:
Ouch so if there's flex or stretch in the throttle cable to one engine or the other, the wheel speeds will be off? That sounds super tricky to calibrate / drive.
It is easy to have the throttle position be identical at each engine. In case you didn't know, your engine moves a lot, but that doesn't mean your throttle changes position. And wheel speed isn't a function of throttle position. My throttle has been WFO at 0 mph, and 108 mph.

And as long as the tires aren't skidding and are the same diameter, the wheel speeds won't be different.
 
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Would be sweet to have the computers sync together during starting. Wait till both engines have the same crank position and then have the standalone management take over firing each matching cylinder at exactly the same time.... same amount of fuel...
 
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brads03zx3 said:
And wheel speed isn't a function of throttle position.
It isn't, but if one engine is at higher RPM than the other (and all the gear ratios and wheel diameters are the same to both the front and back sets), then one or the other throttle position should be adjusted to try to bring the two engines in line.

And if the front and rear wheels RPMs were matched (at an instantaneus point in time), but the throttle position was much higher to one engine than the other, wouldn't the power bias be really really tricky to deal with as you accelerated?