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Why doesn't Ford boost their compacts?

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#1 ·
Why doesn\'t Ford boost their compacts?

Follow the trend. Had they done it a couple of years ago they would have been in the forefront of the new compact car race. But now I don't see anything coming down the pipes. Maybe boost the duratec like the MSP?
 
#3 ·
Re: Why doesn\'t Ford boost their compacts?

US Ford only cares about trucks and the Mustang.

That's where their money has always been and they probably don't feel like they're in a financial position to be taking any risks whatsoever.

Plus, the damn things would just break all the time because they'd decide to use some .02 plastic part in a crucial location where a .04 metal part would work for 300,000mi flawlessly. coughsvtfocuscough
 
#4 ·
Re: Why doesn\'t Ford boost their compacts?

Well they did offer a turbo escort here for a short time but that was a long time ago and it wasn't the greatest.

They have turbo ford everything over in europe, we get squat!
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#5 ·
Re: Why doesn\'t Ford boost their compacts?

I think Ford tried to follow the Honda way and made the SVTF. Too bad the Japanese tuners didn't take the bait probably as Ford wanted to and by the time they knew it Dodge was already making a boosted car.

I think Ford underestimated the U.S. love of low end torque and tried to feed the younger domestic buyers/tuners something that hasn't been done to domestic cars before.

I'm sure Ford is probably working on something on the DL. Until then, they got to figure out they can't make a Japanese car out of a Ford - not matter how good it is.
 
#6 ·
Re: Why doesn\'t Ford boost their compacts?

This is only the one millionth post on this topic...

My old inside track told me about pzev a year before it came out so he was reliable somewhat...but what he said was that it would be 2005-8 my before boosted Foci came in...

But now that SVT is out of buisness (product hold, whatever you wanna call it) and Ford is in dire straits as far as balancing the budget....it will be a long while before we get a boosted Foci. Basically....prolly never.

The low sales of the SVT Contour left a sour sport compact taste in thier mouth.
 
#7 ·
Re: Why doesn\'t Ford boost their compacts?

The low sales of the SVT Contour left a sour sport compact taste in thier mouth.
I'm not debating but I find this quote interesting because I've never seen the SVT Contour as a SCC.
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#8 ·
Re: Why doesn\'t Ford boost their compacts?

Well, since the SVT Contour was also the Mondeo ST200, it may have made them wary of bringing over the Euro hotness. I'd love to see boosted Foci in the States, but do I really think they'd sell? Nope.
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#9 ·
Re: Why doesn\'t Ford boost their compacts?

The low sales of the SVT Contour left a sour sport compact taste in thier mouth.
I'm not debating but I find this quote interesting because I've never seen the SVT Contour as a SCC.
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WELL it wasn't a total compact but near close and the sales sucked so take it from there. If ford was in a better financial situation we would have boosted foci and stuff but thier in a huge hole now and trying to dig themselves out of it. Plus it would probably cost alot for them in the long run anyway
 
#10 ·
Re: Why doesn\'t Ford boost their compacts?

Well they did offer a turbo escort here for a short time but that was a long time ago and it wasn't the greatest.

They have turbo ford everything over in europe, we get squat!
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I thought there was a turbo probe a long time ago too
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Re: Why doesn\'t Ford boost their compacts?

I've always wanted an EXP, but I don't know if I can find one in decent shape.
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Yeah, Ford is more interested in meat and potatos vehicles, like the FiveHundred, the F150, and the Explorer, along with their token sports car, the Mustang. I'm not holding my breath on a boosted Focus, although it would be a nice addition to the Ford fold.
 
#15 ·
Re: Why doesn\'t Ford boost their compacts?

Well they did offer a turbo escort here for a short time but that was a long time ago and it wasn't the greatest.

They have turbo ford everything over in europe, we get squat!
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I thought there was a turbo probe a long time ago too
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yes with the 2.3 T
 
#16 ·
Re: Why doesn\'t Ford boost their compacts?

one of the cool things you can do is take the turbo system off a exp or a 85-86 escort gt and put it on a late 1st gen GT (1987-90) the 85-86 EGT had a turbocharged 1.6L engine wich made about 110hp. well if you take the turbo off that engine and put it on the later 1st gen GT (which has 118hp N/A) you will run a safe amount of boost (the engine was built up) and make quite abit more horse. I dont remember numbers, been a while since I had my EGT. but the focus is a more capable platform I think.
 
#17 ·
Re: Why doesn\'t Ford boost their compacts?

a boosted focus would definitly be faster or extremely easy to make faster than a mustang for ALOT less than the cost of a mustang. They want people to pay more for more power not less. All about money not trends, sucks if u ask me. Ford of Europe is where its at.
 
#19 ·
Re: Why doesn\'t Ford boost their compacts?

a boosted focus would definitly be faster or extremely easy to make faster than a mustang for ALOT less than the cost of a mustang. They want people to pay more for more power not less. All about money not trends, sucks if u ask me. Ford of Europe is where its at.
You have to compare a factory setup to a factory setup to be fair, and looking at the market the price point and performance they are getting from the 'Stang isn't that easy to dismiss. The Mustang GT is offering 300hp and 320ftlbs in an attractive modern chassis w/ decently wide rear tires to effetively put that power down for $24.4K MSRP. If you look at what you are getting for that, that is VERY cheap!

Trying to think of other vehicles in that power range, and I can only think of the WRX STi, and its over $30K... and its not because its so overly luxurious as I much prefer the SVT Focus interior to the STis. Now the SRT-4's power levels are more realistic (also gets to share it with the PT-Cruiser for cost effectiveness) but thats at $21K and is EXTREMELY "cheap" when you compare it to an SVT Focus which is a Bentley by comparison. So realistically, even if you were only aiming for 220 or so horses (which is where you start running into power management issues on FWD) I think a car as nicely equiped as the Focus would probably have an MSRP pretty close to if not higher than the Mustang GT. Mustang GT is a much easier sell on the name alone in America I think, and they want(ed) the SVT Focus to help boost the image of the regular bread+butter Focus and fill the $19K range performance market. And if you checked all the reviews it was pretty unanimous that the SVT Focus beat both its most popular boosted counterparts, the Mini Cooper S and VW GTi, so I would say Ford was pretty successful! If anything, I would have just liked them to make the SVT a little lighter as that would help overall performance (although not so much acceleration) and distinguish it as a different kind of sporty car from the Stang. That way you have no overlap and you might even end up with people buying both. Hell, if I were in the market and had to buy new, I'd probably get a Mustang GT to hot-rod as a weekend car and 5-door SVT Focus as my more practical daily sport-ride.

Obviously I think a turbo Focus would be sweet... I have one... but I can understand why they didn't offer it when I saw what the anticipated costs (after the initial complications too) of the Focus RS would be in the states. A somewhat weak turbo setup like on the GTI wouldn't be boosting power levels all that much, and unlike VW they aren't going to be using a small boosted engine in tons of other US vehicles to keep costs down (hell it took me a second to think of VWs that don't come with the 1.8T heh).
 
#20 ·
Re: Why doesn\'t Ford boost their compacts?

one of the cool things you can do is take the turbo system off a exp or a 85-86 escort gt and put it on a late 1st gen GT (1987-90) the 85-86 EGT had a turbocharged 1.6L engine wich made about 110hp. well if you take the turbo off that engine and put it on the later 1st gen GT (which has 118hp N/A) you will run a safe amount of boost (the engine was built up) and make quite abit more horse. I dont remember numbers, been a while since I had my EGT. but the focus is a more capable platform I think.
The 85 1/2-86 Escort GT's didnt have turbos. They had 1.9L HO engine with Hemi (
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) heads on them. Only Escorts with Turboed Engines where the 1.6 models from 1984

I miss my 86 Escort GT...it was still going in 1998 with over 200K on it. Some guy pulled into an autoparts store I was working at Part time with it and I was in shock.
 
#21 ·
Re: Why doesn\'t Ford boost their compacts?

One more thought to throw into the mix (I thought of this after staring at cars with roots blowers at a car show recently)...

If you use a roots-type blower, you don't have to design, source, or install an intake manifold. More specifically in the SVT's case, you don't have to replace 2 per car and eat them under warranty costs. I could have a supercharged Focus for the same price as they spent keeping my SVT running.
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#22 ·
Re: Why doesn\'t Ford boost their compacts?

US Ford only cares about trucks and the Mustang.

That's where their money has always been and they probably don't feel like they're in a financial position to be taking any risks whatsoever.
yes there is much more money in trucks over the last few years, domesticly.....several jetters can tell you how much more compacts bring overseas...the minute we will pay they will serve
 
#23 ·
Re: Why doesn\'t Ford boost their compacts?

one of the cool things you can do is take the turbo system off a exp or a 85-86 escort gt and put it on a late 1st gen GT (1987-90) the 85-86 EGT had a turbocharged 1.6L engine wich made about 110hp. well if you take the turbo off that engine and put it on the later 1st gen GT (which has 118hp N/A) you will run a safe amount of boost (the engine was built up) and make quite abit more horse. I dont remember numbers, been a while since I had my EGT. but the focus is a more capable platform I think.
The 85 1/2-86 Escort GT's didnt have turbos. They had 1.9L HO engine with Hemi (
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) heads on them. Only Escorts with Turboed Engines where the 1.6 models from 1984

I miss my 86 Escort GT...it was still going in 1998 with over 200K on it. Some guy pulled into an autoparts store I was working at Part time with it and I was in shock.
well i should specify, In 1985 the engine was a turbocharged 1.6L all the way up to 1985.5 then 1986 they changed to the 1.9LHO. and the cylinder heads on the 1.9EFI HO motor are of hemispherical (hemi) design built by bosch.

they to this day are one of the best little motors in my opinion. If someone had some $$$ to dump into a motor, that would be a good one to spend it on!

course, so if the zetec
 
#24 ·
Re: Why doesn\'t Ford boost their compacts?

well i should specify, In 1985 the engine was a turbocharged 1.6L all the way up to 1985.5 then 1986 they changed to the 1.9LHO. and the cylinder heads on the 1.9EFI HO motor are of hemispherical (hemi) design built by bosch.

they to this day are one of the best little motors in my opinion. If someone had some $$$ to dump into a motor, that would be a good one to spend it on!

course, so if the zetec
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imagine pulling up to an escort with a "HEMI" badge on the side
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Good info though!
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Also, I'm not trying to be an a-hole or anything but I'm just curious, what makes them good motors to invest in?