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desratt · Feb 24, 2005

next on my list from you is an intake manifold
then a head package with porting, oversized valves, crane cam,ect.
I may just up my compression at the same time.
and am very interested in a short block.
also I am running focus central cam gears. but they aren't very light. I would like lighter adjustable cam gears.

p.s. what can i up my compression to and still run pump gas.?

HuntinCooter · Feb 24, 2005

I want that header and have the money burning a hole in my pocket!

And i want it to come with a flex pipe

onomanZX3 · Feb 24, 2005

I'm saving all my money for that turbo system. Just how long term are you thinking for that project, also what do you think a ballpark guess would be on how much it would cost?

pzev04boy · Feb 25, 2005

I'd be mostly interested in a nice price short block assembly!!! Then most likely the turbo.

Matt_Liq_Grey · Feb 25, 2005

Welp i'm deffinatly interested in the turbo system, but for now i will settle for:
1. Intake upgrade in powdercoat black w/the black sleves
2. The Balance Shaft Removal kit
3. The Narrow Gate Shifter
4. One piece steel Underdrive Pulley (in powdercoat black)
5. Possably the Header, not sure yet depending on the turbo
6. SCT tune when avalible
That's about it for now Walter,

hidrive · Feb 25, 2005

It's a long shot, but how about some love for the ATX tranny? I have no idea what that would be, but I thought I'd just throw it out there...

pitchblack23 · Feb 25, 2005

If I were Walter, I don't think I'd want competition with Lentech. What could he do that they don't?

hidrive · Feb 25, 2005

If I were Walter, I don't think I'd want competition with Lentech. What could he do that they don't?

shhh.... I'm trying to get his creative juices flowing..

pzev04boy · Feb 25, 2005

They already flow in a manual direction.

Moosewax · Feb 25, 2005

They already flow in a manual direction.

Oh man

That was frickin hilarious... I had to wipe a tear from my eye...

So whats up with this narrow gate shifter?

MarcyMotorsport · Feb 25, 2005

Not to steer this discussion too far towards shifters, but here's a little diagram I made to help explain things better.

Code:<hr /><pre>Stock Steeda Marcy?

1_ _3_ _5 1 3 5 1_3_5
|_ _|_ _| |__|__| |_|_|
|_ _|_ _| |__|__| |_|_|
|_ _|_ _| 2__4__R 2_4_R
|_ _|_ _|
2_ _4_ _R

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I couldn't get the text spacing exact, but that seems like what Walter is suggesting and it would be an improvement so long as the shift lever wasn't cut too low.

>8^)
ER

This is a very good representation of the effect. What makes it better is that you can use it in conjunction with your current or future short throw shifter!

MarcyMotorsport · Feb 25, 2005

I'm considering buying your CAI, exept that as impatient as I am, unfortunatly, I would go to someone else before waiting as long as some people say here. No offense hopefully... I'm sure you already know, that you sell best what you've got on the shelf waiting for people.
Since you are in MD, you'll wat to call Tony D. at New Edge Performance, as he will have Silver, Red, and Blue intakes in stock, next week!

I second the forementioned:

Larger MAF (since after cai & intake mani this seems to be the bottleneck)

More on SCT tuning (Especially with this ISG Flap thing)
I'll be releasing more information on the results from this mod and the associated tuning in about a week.

And a nice set of daily drivable cams.
Crane will not be releasing their cams until the end of March at the earliest. The Stage 1 will be a nice choice for everyday "puttin' round"

After those & finances permitting...
STREET LEGAL Exhaust header (I live in MD, so our rules aren't as strict as CA- except that I see a lot of potential demand for this one!)

Exhaust, clutch / flywheel

And as a post note...
Anything that increases TORQUE!!!! Since I don't hang out at the local drag strip much, I really enjoy the 0-60 at the stoplights!!

Keep some flexibility available to supply support for unforseen discoveries... eg the ISG flap needs a tune to work well.

I really like the ITB option, but it would have to be something that I could use on a daily driver without sacrificing too much on noise & low end torque.
The ITBs are for race use and kit cars, not daily drivers...

And there are other items that I may get elsewhere, like a focus central throttle body and... mmm... I'll think of more later... but generally the stuff that's more commonly available & hasn't needed special development.

Hope I helped! & Thanks for your great participation here, your posts are always a pleasure to read

MarcyMotorsport · Feb 25, 2005

SCT tuning would be nice but, to be honest, I'll probably go with FocusSport if they have it first. Just depends on who irons the wrinkles out first.

I'll be releasing dyno numbers on our advances with SCT tuning for the Duratec in the next week. Units will be available for purchase in the next few weeks.

I second Oreo's suggestion for a cat-equipped header. It'll make me sad to not see that awesome design that was shown on your website, but I'll deal. Long-tube, low-torque headers are a no-no. Either Tri-Y or something special like the old design.

I'll be building the two final prototypes for our header in the next few weeks. A large 4-2-1 and a 1-3/4" 4-1, that I hope will be on-par with the current unit on the car.

MarcyMotorsport · Feb 25, 2005

What is the Narrow Gate Shifter?
See Peloton25's post.

I think I'll go third on a header with a cat (something legal, even though I know the costs of trying to get CARB on stuff which would take any profit that you are making on your products and flush it down the drain.) I personally would like to get more power out of the car while trying to keep it as clean as possible.

Headers with a cat are not economically feasable. Also, there is little to no room for a cat and header tubes in there. Finally, an aftermarket header with a cat will be nearly impossible to make emissions legal, let alone affordable.

I like the idea of a 2.5" exhaust, but not sure about the real benefit as I haven't seen any dyno comparisons between 2.25 and 2.5 except for on the Zetec.

Please realize that this is not a Zetec, and as such this engine has vastly different airflow requirements. The though to test a 2.25 crossed my mind, and I let it keep on going. Remember, I'm currently running a 3" system which measures NO TORQUE LOSS vs. the 2.5" it replaced. A 2.25 system might be alright on the 2.0L and 2.3L ATX, but on an MTX car, any good 2.5" will make equal torque and better hp.

I would personally like to see a different model of CAI that somehow would get that thing farther away from the ground (have no idea how to make it work appropriately) but that way some of us wouldn't have to worry incessantly about puddles.

Puddles we can handle no problem, as is. Ponds, creeks, rivers, flooded roads, might pose an issue even with a stock filter. There is really no good way to move the filter up any higher without a totally new mass air flow housing design. Even then, it would be a mediocre design. I've intentionally tested my intake in 8" standing water on my car with an SVT bumper (open fog light hole in front of filter) and an H&R Cup Kit (2.7" lower than stock). The filter stayed dry driving through it at 15mph.

MarcyMotorsport · Feb 25, 2005

Elaborating on mievil's idea, perhaps a Volant-type pseudo-ram air setup? The MAF itself probably takes up too much room to intake from the upper grille, but perhaps the lower grille could be funneled into an airbox. That seems like it would eliminate any hydrolock problems.

On my car I have the SVT bumper cover, and simply remove the fog light for a bit of "ram air" with the stock filter shield. Ram air is not always the solution to a better induction system. Turbulance from a sealed ram air system can cause drivability problems on MAF equipped cars.

I don't need no fancy CARB certification on my header. Just stuff some Platinum and Rhodium into it and ship it on over.

See above header response.

MarcyMotorsport · Feb 25, 2005

As you are aware Walter, I'm looking for a n/a huge power setup. Pushing 230-250whp and taking the engine up to around 8000rpms. Built lower, strong head, agressive-quasi-race cams, lightweight strong internals, intake, tb, fuel rail, and injectors, big header, and all the tuning to go along.

Key parts from Cosworth will be available that we will be able to build upon nicely. I'll have more data available over the next 4-6 weeks on a barely streetable race package I've been working on.

MarcyMotorsport · Feb 25, 2005

My intentions are this: header, cams, tuning. After that possibly the underdrive pully, the one piece would be nice. I think a lot of people are worried about doing this mod. I doubt you'll get a huge interest in it. After those simple bolt ons, maybe I'll look into getting the Cosworth manifold, but to be honest it is hard to spend that much money on a piece that really won't deliver big gains on a simple "bolt-on" car.

I'd like to see some new camber plates that are resonably priced, maybe the $250 range or so. Maybe even sell new arms with the slotted ball joint, that would work in my book and I'm sure you'd have some people looking at that as an option. This also applies to all Focus', not just the Duratecs.

I am working on an extremely cost effective solution for the camber plates, that will work nicely and be SCCA/NASA legal in almost every instance. The only downfall is that they will not work with Focus Sport (or clone) strut tower bars.

If you could offer your 2.5" exhaust with a resonator and muffler, that would be good (ie. FS Stealth). I'm sure you'd pick up some business doing that. If not, a 2.5" to 2.25" downpipe would be nice for those of us who like and need to keep the cars somewhat civil.

Our 2.5" system will include a resonator and muffler just as our 3" system does. It is deeper by far, and quieter than the Borla system you heard on the car at Spring Mountain.

MarcyMotorsport · Feb 25, 2005

1. Some kind of upgrade to the air induction setup. MAF, throttlebody, air intake manifold. If you setup an upgrade package for al those together I would be 100% in.
The new HI-FLO "R" will include an 80mm MAF 3.5" upper tube and 4" lower tube with a monster K&N filter. It will require SCT tuning. It is being designed for use with the Cosworth manifold, 39lb/hr injectors, a larger TB, Cams, Compression, Ported Head, 1-3/4" Header and 3" Exhaust. This will be a part of our Touring Car level street package.

2. aggressive street cams
See Above Posts

3. Header and flexpipe
See Above Posts

4. SCT tuning
See Above Posts

5. Narrow gate shifter, I have the steeda, but if you can firm it up even more (better shorter shifts etc), I would definitely switch.
See Above Posts

Other then that the air induction upgrades are the most serious things I am considering.

MarcyMotorsport · Feb 25, 2005

It's a long shot, but how about some love for the ATX tranny? I have no idea what that would be, but I thought I'd just throw it out there...

The best I can do for you is that I make every attempt to make sure that the parts I'm developing will work with an ATX, but I'll leave the ATX itself to Lentech. Now I can play with shift points and such in the SCT tuning...

MarcyMotorsport · Feb 25, 2005

I'd be mostly interested in a nice price short block assembly!!! Then most likely the turbo.

The Low Cost N/A short blocks will be:
2.0L - Supertech Forged Pistons (10.5:1 Compression Ratio), New Stock 2.0L Focus/Mondeo Block, New Stock 2.0L Focus/Mondeo Crank, New Stock Focus/Mondeo Connecting Rods (Good to 7800rpm), ARP Rod Bolts, ARP Main Studs, New Oil Pump, Balanced and Assembled - $1900 (Limited Availability)

2.3L - Supertech Forged Pistons (11.7:1 Compression Ratio), New Stock Ranger Block, New Stock Ranger Crank, New Stock Ranger Connecting Rods (Good to 7500rpm), Upgraded Connecting Rod Bearings, ARP Rod Bolts, ARP Main Studs, New Oil Pump, Balanced and Assembled - $1650 (2-4 week lead time)

As for the Turbo system, it will probably be late spring before I can get to this item seriously.

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