[Ray]

so it's close to the same as the c5, then. good.

 

[Ducman69]

I think the GT will still have an edge on the Z06 - I think the FI 5.4 is still making more than 550 hp and it will still have a wider powerband than that NA 7.0 - not a lot, but some. It's making so much torque at such low RPM that there is no 1-2 shift before 60 mph, and that's part ofe1 the reason it will still own the Z06 by .5 second there.

I looked up some testing numbers of the GT and despite what the specs here and weight might hint at, the GT pulls superior numbers to these posted. So it'll be close.

One thing to take into account is that while the Z06 has a great weight balance by moving the driver and the transmission and tank as far backwards as possible to counter the engine up front, this still leaves lots of weight at the corners of the car (bad). The Ford GT has the driver and the engine and transmission all in the center of the car which should make it more flickable. Nevertheless, they are both beasts!

But regarding torque, we are talking about a 7.0 liter OHV monster here. Even with a regular Vette the CAGS have you shift from 1st to 4th gear for regular cruising unless you give it lots of gas or break a certain RPM (had this eliminated on mine). Torque issues aint gunna be no thang. And a supercharger does increase the effective displacement, but its a smaller displacement to start with. Either way, both are going to be shredding their tires to bits in lower gears w/o traction control on if the driver floors it quickly (even the 345mm tires on the back of the Z06), so thats kindof a moot point.

 

[belacyrf]

I can't see why anyone would hate on this car. It's the raining king at auto-x's. Its an amazing road course car. It handles superbly and the balance for a sub 100K car is absolutely wonderful.

Chevy IMO doesn't do to many things right, but the 2 latest iterations of the vette have been spot on IMO.

 

[Fordson]

I think the GT will still have an edge on the Z06 - I think the FI 5.4 is still making more than 550 hp and it will still have a wider powerband than that NA 7.0 - not a lot, but some. It's making so much torque at such low RPM that there is no 1-2 shift before 60 mph, and that's part ofe1 the reason it will still own the Z06 by .5 second there.

I looked up some testing numbers of the GT and despite what the specs here and weight might hint at, the GT pulls superior numbers to these posted. So it'll be close.

One thing to take into account is that while the Z06 has a great weight balance by moving the driver and the transmission and tank as far backwards as possible to counter the engine up front, this still leaves lots of weight at the corners of the car (bad). The Ford GT has the driver and the engine and transmission all in the center of the car which should make it more flickable. Nevertheless, they are both beasts!

But regarding torque, we are talking about a 7.0 liter OHV monster here. Even with a regular Vette the CAGS have you shift from 1st to 4th gear for regular cruising unless you give it lots of gas or break a certain RPM (had this eliminated on mine). Torque issues aint gunna be no thang. And a supercharger does increase the effective displacement, but its a smaller displacement to start with. Either way, both are going to be shredding their tires to bits in lower gears w/o traction control on if the driver floors it quickly (even the 345mm tires on the back of the Z06), so thats kindof a moot point.

You know, Ford is really sandbagging on the output of the GT - I was just at the Popular Mechanics site (really do some serious testing there, as they always have), and the only car they could get for the comparison test that could beat the GT in the quarter was a Saleen S7. Now, this is a good comparison, because it's got a NA 7.0 liter engine (although PM mistakenly says it's supercharged in the spec box), like the Z06 does. It's making 550 hp and 560 tq., compared to 550 and 500 for the GT, and 500/500 for the Z06.

The Saleen ran 3.73 0-60 and 11.51 in the quarter. The GT ran 3.43 0-60 (no 1-2 shift!) and 11.69 in the quarter. Now the kicker - the S7 weighs 600 lbs. less (2750 vs. 3350) - it's all carbon fiber. More food for thought - the GT was tested at another strip from the rest of the cars - with higher elevation, hotter temps and worse traction.

Yeah, right - the Ford's making only 500 lb/ft - at the wheels, maybe!

I would say that unless Chevy's sandbagging too, the Z06 will do 3.8/11.9.

 

[Ducman69]

The Saleen ran 3.73 0-60 and 11.51 in the quarter. The GT ran 3.43 0-60 (no 1-2 shift!)

Yeah, I heard its illegal in all fifty states to drive to redline in second gear on a Ford GT.

 

[racerx]

Autoweek might be a little more realistic with the weight.

Consider the alleged (more on that later) specs: <font color="red">3130 pounds</font>; dry-sump 7.0-liter V8 engine featuring forged crank, titanium connecting rods, 11.0:1 compression ratio; and producing at least 500 hp and 475 lb-ft of torque.

Linkage

 

[Jared]

Some people have more refined tastes in their automobiles...thats all it is.

uhhh, no, really?

this car isn't about refinement, it's about squeezing the most possible performance out of as low a price as possible.

why the hell do you think a Porsche 911 Carrera S is $69,000 but you only get 325hp??

here, you get a crapload more performance than that Carrera S, but the trade-off is less refinement and not as good fit and finish in the interior.

now what would happen if you took that same higher quality Porsche and gave it the performance levels of the Z07? yeah, you'd be lookin at like $180,000.

you are comparing apples to oranges. appreciate it for what it is, that's like saying "oh your SVT Focus sucks, i would totally rather have a Golf GL with a 2.0L engine, the interior is much more refined"

 

[Honkeytonk Monkey]

now what would happen if you took that same higher quality Porsche and gave it the performance levels of the Z07? yeah, you'd be lookin at like $180,000.

Actually, the porsche the Z06's performance seems to be matching costs a bit more than that

 

[Focus Girl]

I think Im gonna be needing a tissue..lol.. I want one so bad... that is just MAGNIFICENT!

 

[Jared]

now what would happen if you took that same higher quality Porsche and gave it the performance levels of the Z07? yeah, you'd be lookin at like $180,000.

Actually, the porsche the Z06's performance seems to be matching costs a bit more than that

lol i know. i think i made my point though

my god this car is sweet. and this is coming from me who typically would prefer an M3 or the like, i was never a fan of Corvettes, but you can't deny the awesomeness!!

 

[Hocky]

I think the GT will still have an edge on the Z06 - I think the FI 5.4 is still making more than 550 hp and it will still have a wider powerband than that NA 7.0 - not a lot, but some. It's making so much torque at such low RPM that there is no 1-2 shift before 60 mph, and that's part ofe1 the reason it will still own the Z06 by .5 second there.

I looked up some testing numbers of the GT and despite what the specs here and weight might hint at, the GT pulls superior numbers to these posted. So it'll be close.

One thing to take into account is that while the Z06 has a great weight balance by moving the driver and the transmission and tank as far backwards as possible to counter the engine up front, this still leaves lots of weight at the corners of the car (bad). The Ford GT has the driver and the engine and transmission all in the center of the car which should make it more flickable. Nevertheless, they are both beasts!

But regarding torque, we are talking about a 7.0 liter OHV monster here. Even with a regular Vette the CAGS have you shift from 1st to 4th gear for regular cruising unless you give it lots of gas or break a certain RPM (had this eliminated on mine). Torque issues aint gunna be no thang. And a supercharger does increase the effective displacement, but its a smaller displacement to start with. Either way, both are going to be shredding their tires to bits in lower gears w/o traction control on if the driver floors it quickly (even the 345mm tires on the back of the Z06), so thats kindof a moot point.

You know, Ford is really sandbagging on the output of the GT - I was just at the Popular Mechanics site (really do some serious testing there, as they always have), and the only car they could get for the comparison test that could beat the GT in the quarter was a Saleen S7. Now, this is a good comparison, because it's got a NA 7.0 liter engine (although PM mistakenly says it's supercharged in the spec box), like the Z06 does. It's making 550 hp and 560 tq., compared to 550 and 500 for the GT, and 500/500 for the Z06.

The Saleen ran 3.73 0-60 and 11.51 in the quarter. The GT ran 3.43 0-60 (no 1-2 shift!) and 11.69 in the quarter. Now the kicker - the S7 weighs 600 lbs. less (2750 vs. 3350) - it's all carbon fiber. More food for thought - the GT was tested at another strip from the rest of the cars - with higher elevation, hotter temps and worse traction.

Yeah, right - the Ford's making only 500 lb/ft - at the wheels, maybe!

I would say that unless Chevy's sandbagging too, the Z06 will do 3.8/11.9.

The new Z06 will do better than 11.9 if it really weighs ~3000. A good driver in a 400horsepower current model Z06 can pull a 12.5 in a car with 100 less horsepower, 500 more pounds. Even at 3100 pounds, the car should be able to trap 122-125mph in the quarter, good enough for LOW 11s or even high 10s with a great hook up.

 

[rw02kr43]

it's yellow!!!! therefore, it's cool

Jason

 

[Hocky]

it's yellow!!!! therefore, it's cool

Jason

true.

 

[Honkeytonk Monkey]

The new Z06 will do better than 11.9 if it really weighs ~3000. A good driver in a 400horsepower current model Z06 can pull a 12.5 in a car with 100 less horsepower, 500 more pounds. Even at 3100 pounds, the car should be able to trap 122-125mph in the quarter, good enough for LOW 11s or even high 10s with a great hook up.

I dunno, a good hookup will be hard to do without some really meaty rear tires.... oh wait... nevermind...

 

[Fordson]

I think the GT will still have an edge on the Z06 - I think the FI 5.4 is still making more than 550 hp and it will still have a wider powerband than that NA 7.0 - not a lot, but some. It's making so much torque at such low RPM that there is no 1-2 shift before 60 mph, and that's part ofe1 the reason it will still own the Z06 by .5 second there.

I looked up some testing numbers of the GT and despite what the specs here and weight might hint at, the GT pulls superior numbers to these posted. So it'll be close.

One thing to take into account is that while the Z06 has a great weight balance by moving the driver and the transmission and tank as far backwards as possible to counter the engine up front, this still leaves lots of weight at the corners of the car (bad). The Ford GT has the driver and the engine and transmission all in the center of the car which should make it more flickable. Nevertheless, they are both beasts!

But regarding torque, we are talking about a 7.0 liter OHV monster here. Even with a regular Vette the CAGS have you shift from 1st to 4th gear for regular cruising unless you give it lots of gas or break a certain RPM (had this eliminated on mine). Torque issues aint gunna be no thang. And a supercharger does increase the effective displacement, but its a smaller displacement to start with. Either way, both are going to be shredding their tires to bits in lower gears w/o traction control on if the driver floors it quickly (even the 345mm tires on the back of the Z06), so thats kindof a moot point.

You know, Ford is really sandbagging on the output of the GT - I was just at the Popular Mechanics site (really do some serious testing there, as they always have), and the only car they could get for the comparison test that could beat the GT in the quarter was a Saleen S7. Now, this is a good comparison, because it's got a NA 7.0 liter engine (although PM mistakenly says it's supercharged in the spec box), like the Z06 does. It's making 550 hp and 560 tq., compared to 550 and 500 for the GT, and 500/500 for the Z06.

The Saleen ran 3.73 0-60 and 11.51 in the quarter. The GT ran 3.43 0-60 (no 1-2 shift!) and 11.69 in the quarter. Now the kicker - the S7 weighs 600 lbs. less (2750 vs. 3350) - it's all carbon fiber. More food for thought - the GT was tested at another strip from the rest of the cars - with higher elevation, hotter temps and worse traction.

Yeah, right - the Ford's making only 500 lb/ft - at the wheels, maybe!

I would say that unless Chevy's sandbagging too, the Z06 will do 3.8/11.9.

The new Z06 will do better than 11.9 if it really weighs ~3000. A good driver in a 400horsepower current model Z06 can pull a 12.5 in a car with 100 less horsepower, 500 more pounds. Even at 3100 pounds, the car should be able to trap 122-125mph in the quarter, good enough for LOW 11s or even high 10s with a great hook up.

Naw - a current Z06 is good for 12.5 but it's around 3200 lbs. - not 3500. Like I said, the Saleen S7 is clocking mid-elevens, and it is 7 liter NA like the Vette, 550 hp/560 tq., 2750 lbs. I don't know how the Z06, also with a 7 liter NA pushrod V8, is going to beat that by half a second. With 50 less hp and tq and another 250 lbs of weight?

The Enzo was trapping 133, and that was running 11.2. You are not going to trap 125 and get high-tens unless you have a dragster with slicks, that can get great hookup right out of the lights.

 

[Kool_ZX3]

Some pretty hard headed people in this thread, it's like me and a few other people are shunned b/c we don't totally like and would give a kidney for the new zo6 LOL, i am not a fan of this vette but the old z06 is my corvette, sorry if that really truly upsets people in here, i guess i am not a car guy

I feel like i am on gminside news where everything from gm is golden anf the best machine ever made and if u don't agree be prepared to be shunned upon like your a leper. I was never a fan of the corvette interior i guess i will really have to check out the new c6 but the exterior is ugly compared to the c5 z06.

The GT would outrun this car like it's a heavy ass brick, the z06 might be able to keep up to 130 mph then the GT will pull away and leave this vette eating GT exhaust. The old z06 after 120mph starts running out of steam, The GT keeps pulling like crazy till like 140mph. The gt runs the quater in 11.2 secs at a 130mph + trap speed, 0-60 is 3.3 Sec tied with the enzo. I wanna see a good driver with a GT i expect even a little faster. I guess since this is a ford hater site i might as well keep my mouth shut

Oh yah one more thing the ford gt is highly underrated everyone just to let you know, when a car rated for 550 hp makes that on the dyno well

and with ford racing performance parts on thw way i have no doubt the GT will be a true beast, this car can do much more i believe then most mags can pull off.

 

[Kool_ZX3]

Agreed, but like I said, Ford half-assed the engine. My questions of longevity are only because this is a stroked smallblock chevy being built by a race-engine supplier...they've never done street engines before as far as I know.

Good point, we will have to wait and see how long this engine will last in an everyday street car. This 5.4L i think can make 1000hp without really hurting much, jesus the 03 cobra can make 800+whp with a kenne bell blowzilla and some other nick nacks. I have heard of plenty stories of corvette's having trouble before but it's a corvette, it can't have them

I read vette's have a high lemon rate also, could bw wrong but god knows really.

 

[Ducman69]

I'm sure there are plenty of stories of corvettes having trouble... they've been produced for fifty years and in pretty large quantities each year for that matter.

Even if only 1% of the Corvettes on the road reported issues (and look in the back of a Mercedes, Ferrari, BMW, or Lexus dealership and you will see that all cars have issues... its just a matter of how many on average per car), thats a lot of cars. Overall, fit, finish, and quality on the Vettes is much higher than the rest of GM's offerings being the high visibility flagship of the company. There are some issues and there have been recalls, but its no slapped together junker... its their Corvette, most take a lot more pride being involved in that team than some other blander GM cars, and they really care about the long-term reputation of that name.

 

[Jared]

Some pretty hard headed people in this thread, it's like me and a few other people are shunned b/c we don't totally like and would give a kidney for the new zo6 LOL, i am not a fan of this vette but the old z06 is my corvette, sorry if that really truly upsets people in here, i guess i am not a car guy I feel like i am on gminside news where everything from gm is golden anf the best machine ever made and if u don't agree be prepared to be shunned upon like your a leper. I was never a fan of the corvette interior i guess i will really have to check out the new c6 but the exterior is ugly compared to the c5 z06.

um, i don't think anyone really cares if others like it or not, you just simply have to respect it for what it is.

my beef was with the one dude who said that he would rather have more refinement and that makes the Corvette suck. um, no, that doesn't make it suck, it just makes it something he is not interested in, there is a difference.

 

[Dnewma04]

Kool ZX3,

I don't think people care if you dislike a car, but when people start making irrelevant or innaccurate arguments as to why the car "sucks", they will be put in place. OHV engines are NOT outdated, the TLF is not inferior, the new interior is high quality and comparable to it's competition. Exterior looks are subjective, so it can't be argued whether they are good or not. But, i have heard people who love the enzo because of the function over form design, yet will criticize the vette for the same reasons. For someone to say they want a luxury sedan over a corvette because it's more refined has nothing to do with the vette. It would be like saying I would rather have a truck because I can carry a higher payload then a vette. An M3, simply is not a performance competitor for the Z06, nor is just about any car under 100k.

Basically, comment on subjective items like looks and you will be fine, however stating opinions about objective items like performance, component quality, price, and product design can easily be disputed.

You mentioned the GT will pull away from the Corvette over 120 mph is stating an opinion with nothing to back it up on something that will have objective data soon enough. I can project that the Z06 will be faster, but I also have nothing to base that on, so making the statement is a complete waste of time.