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Officers make traffic safer, one ticket at a time

By Eve Sullivan
Staff Writer

Published August 26 2005

STAMFORD -- Two Stamford police officers sat on motorcycles at Tresser and Washington boulevards yesterday morning, watching intently.

When a man in a GMC Yukon headed east on Tresser ran a red light, Officers Todd Lobraico and Chris Brown turned on their lights and followed him.

They pulled over the driver near Tresser Boulevard and Atlantic Street and gave him a $114 ticket for failure to obey a traffic control signal.

Lobraico handed the man the ticket, then stepped away from the SUV. The driver admitted he ran the light, Lobraico said.

"He said, 'You got me,' " the officer said.

It was the sixth ticket for running a red light or making an illegal right turn on red that the officers handed out in two hours patrolling the area. They also issued one ticket for failing to yield to a pedestrian in the crosswalk.

"We're targeting, especially in the downtown area, right turns on red and any motor vehicle violations," said Capt. William Mullin, head of the patrol division.

Officers also watched for failure to yield the right of way to pedestrians in a crosswalk, which carries a $93 fine, Mullin said.

Lobraico and Brown, who both joined the department in 1996, said they try to do traffic enforcement a few times a week. The prime time to find violators is 8 a.m., but yesterday they started at 9:15 a.m.

For most of the morning, they were parked on the sidewalk at the southwest corner of Tresser and Washington.

"You can't do this with a patrol car because there's nowhere to put the car," Brown said. "So you can only do this on a motorcycle."

At that intersection, no right turns on red are allowed, and drivers are not supposed to turn if a pedestrian is halfway across the crosswalk, Brown said.

"Even if they have a green light, they are not supposed to make right-hand turns if there is a pedestrian in the crosswalk," Brown said. "You have to wait for the pedestrian to clear the crosswalk or your half of the highway before you proceed."

But pedestrians don't always have the right of way, he said. They, too, must wait for the proper signal. Pedestrians who fail to obey the walk signal may be ticketed for improper use of a highway, he said.

After pulling over the Yukon, the officers moved to Tresser Boulevard and Atlantic Street, where they watched traffic from the southeast corner.

When a man in a black BMW whizzed through a red light, the officers let him go. The man technically ran the red light but they didn't stop him because he started through the intersection when the light was yellow, they said.

Lobraico said people act as if the yellow light means speed up, not slow down.

As Brown watched, a man in a Jeep Cherokee turned right from Atlantic onto Tresser and almost mowed down a pedestrian. The officer took off after the Jeep, stopping the driver near the Stamford Town Center mall.

When Brown returned, he said he gave the man a $93 ticket.

"He cut right in front of the guy trying to cross the street," he said. "The pedestrian almost had to come to a stop."

Brown pointed to a sign on the corner that states, "Turning vehicles yield to pedestrians in a crosswalk."

Police are trying to teach people to follow that law, Brown said.

A pedestrian and a bicyclist passing by said they have had good luck in the crosswalks.

"I think they work quite well," Pete Torrano, who works at the Stamford train station, said of the walk signals. "You press the button and you wait."

The biggest problem is that pedestrians don't want to wait for the signal and walk before it changes, Torrano said.

"Actually, I find them very effective," said Michael Cody, who was riding his bicycle. "In fact, I think they are quite pedestrian-friendly."

Lobraico said he tries to have fun with people and they usually thank him for saving their lives. Brown said he tries to be as nice as possible when he pulls people over.
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more on red lights...

Safety effort launched after too many people ran red lights

By Mark Ginocchio
Staff Writer

Published August 26 2005

The message safety advocates want to get out this week is simple: Red means stop.

National Stop on Red Week, a campaign designed to alert motorists about the dangers of running traffic stoplights, kicks off tomorrow.

Motorists who ran red lights caused more than 206,000 intersection accidents nationwide in 2003, with 934 fatalities, according to the Federal Highway Safety Administration.

It will take more than a week to end the epidemic of running red lights, members of the group said.

"We advocate increasing public awareness but we're also campaigning for red-light cameras to correct this problem," said Chris Galm, spokesman for the National Campaign to Stop Red Light Running, a nonprofit group based in Washington, D.C.

Red-light cameras, which photograph motorists as they run through an intersection, are used by more than 110 communities in 20 states, but not Connecticut. A bill was proposed in this year's legislative session to install the cameras statewide; it was approved by the Judiciary Committee but never voted on by the General Assembly.

"People want traffic laws toughly enforced, as long as it's not against them," said state Rep. Robert Farr, R-West Hartford, one of the lawmakers who pushed for the bill. "These would help enforce the law uniformly. There's no dispute of whether or not you violated the law."

Nationally, fatal motor vehicle crashes at traffic signals increased 13.6 percent from 1993 to 2003, outpacing the 6.6 percent increase in other fatal crashes, according to data from the Federal Highway Safety Administration.

Communities that have traffic cameras at intersections usually see a 25 percent to 30 percent reduction in crashes, Galm said. In Savannah, Ga., for example, crashes decreased by 20 percent and red-light violations decreased by 60 percent since 2003.

Less than 1 percent of the 21,000 tickets issued were appealed, Galm said.

A 2002 study in New Haven found there were 870 red-light violations in 48 hours at three intersections, Galm said. That's one violation every three minutes.

A poll taken by the campaign found 95 percent of motorists say they fear being hit by a red-light runner when they enter an intersection.

Though few groups question the effectiveness of cameras, some lawmakers and civil liberties groups oppose them because they think they violate a driver's privacy, Galm said.

Officials from the Connecticut Civil Liberties Union yesterday did not return calls seeking comment.

"There is no privacy issue," Farr said. "It only takes a picture of you if you violate the law."

Until a law is passed to allow the cameras, other things must be done to try to eliminate red light violations, state officials said.

"There are the three e's -- education, enforcement and engineering," said Jack Carey, manager of traffic engineering for the state Department of Transportation. "On the engineering side, a lot can be done. Mainly, we need to make sure the clearance time of an intersection is timed properly."

The clearance time is based on traffic volume, the length of the intersection and the speed limit, he said.

But Stamford traffic engineer Mani Poola said there is no simple way to cut back on red-light violators.

"We can only do so much," Poola said. "Driver behavior we cannot change."
Cops enforcing laws OTHER than speeding!!!

I am glad to read how they are enforcing this so car. The officers seem to be somewhat reasonable and not just going after people for “running yellows” but are actually running reds. One of my BIG pet peeves is people that have NO respect for pedestrians in the crosswalk. This seams to be one of the reasons it is mostly illegal to make a right on red anymore. It’s a case of people not doing what they are doing, so everyone is punished.

Its also nice to see in the second article that the state (to some degree) is recognizing that they have to make the yellow light long enough to safely pass through the intersections. There are a few intersections in this area where I was UNDER the traffic light when it turned yellow, and before I cleared the intersection on the other side the light was already red. It was physically impossible not to run a yellow light at that intersection!
 
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on my campus the police have recently started a campaign to pull over drivers who don't yield to pedestrians. the difference here is that jaywalking is so common (college students walking to class etc) that the officers are monitoring pedestrian right of way anywhere on the road, not just crosswalks. i have yet to witness it, but the news said that the officers are actually going to take a step off the curb and ticket motorists that don't yield.
 
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i have yet to witness it, but the news said that the officers are actually going to take a step off the curb and ticket motorists that don't yield.
Now do you get to give the officer a “citizens, ticket” for illegally crossing the road. That I feel is wrong. The pedestrian should be ticketed for illegally crossing the road. IF they wanted to be fair, they should watch for incidents of this actually happening, and then ticket BOTH the jaywalker, AND the driver at the same time for breaking the law.

In the area the officers are patrolling there is a University building on one side of the street, and a parking garage on the other for the school. There used to be a jaywalking problem, but the city has since installed a fend between the sidewalk, and the street all the way down the road on each side, forcing pedestrians to either walk all the way to the crosswalk, or exert more energy to jump the fence (and the whole point of jaywalking is laziness, so it works very well!
 
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you should come visit the so cal forum sometime and see what cops are cracking down on here
Well I have seen some of the BS laws they enforce in cali, THESE laws are actually for safety, and make SENSE to enforce!

I don’t know what it is with cali drivers though, but I dread encountering a car with cali plates here. EVERY car I ever encountered with a cali plate on it has had an overly aggressive driver, driving like a complete idiot, and breaking every traffic law known to man, and then THEY were getting pissed as cars honked at them!

(BTW, The north east does NOT work like England where you drive on the left, and pass on the right on the highways!
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you should come visit the so cal forum sometime and see what cops are cracking down on here
Well I have seen some of the BS laws they enforce in cali, THESE laws are actually for safety, and make SENSE to enforce!

I don’t know what it is with cali drivers though, but I dread encountering a car with cali plates here. EVERY car I ever encountered with a cali plate on it has had an overly aggressive driver, driving like a complete idiot, and breaking every traffic law known to man, and then THEY were getting pissed as cars honked at them!

(BTW, The north east does NOT work like England where you drive on the left, and pass on the right on the highways!
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When Emily and myself drove to JF, I have to say that we encountered worse drivers outside CA then anywhere here in CA....
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"He cut right in front of the guy trying to cross the street," he said. "The pedestrian almost had to come to a stop."
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I generally agree with this entire thread, but this quote makes me laugh.
It reads as if the pedestrian had to screech to a smoking halt.
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"He cut right in front of the guy trying to cross the street," he said. "The pedestrian almost had to come to a stop."
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I generally agree with this entire thread, but this quote makes me laugh.
It reads as if the pedestrian had to screech to a smoking halt.
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I didn't know there was a law about failing to yield to pedestrians...I always have to wait on people to turn when I'm walking home.
 
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i have yet to witness it, but the news said that the officers are actually going to take a step off the curb and ticket motorists that don't yield.
Now do you get to give the officer a “citizens, ticket” for illegally crossing the road. That I feel is wrong. The pedestrian should be ticketed for illegally crossing the road. IF they wanted to be fair, they should watch for incidents of this actually happening, and then ticket BOTH the jaywalker, AND the driver at the same time for breaking the law.

But pedestrians don't always have the right of way, he said. They, too, must wait for the proper signal. Pedestrians who fail to obey the walk signal may be ticketed for improper use of a highway, he said.
I assumed they were only referring to doing that when they had the proper signal. Wouldn't make a whole lot of sense otherwise.
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you should come visit the so cal forum sometime and see what cops are cracking down on here
Well I have seen some of the BS laws they enforce in cali, THESE laws are actually for safety, and make SENSE to enforce!

I don’t know what it is with cali drivers though, but I dread encountering a car with cali plates here. EVERY car I ever encountered with a cali plate on it has had an overly aggressive driver, driving like a complete idiot, and breaking every traffic law known to man, and then THEY were getting pissed as cars honked at them!

(BTW, The north east does NOT work like England where you drive on the left, and pass on the right on the highways!
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When Emily and myself drove to JF, I have to say that we encountered worse drivers outside CA then anywhere here in CA....
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true dat man
if you can drive in california.....you can drive anywhere pretty much.....only in california will you see someone make a mistake and get on an onramp and as they are about to enter it and go up to the freeway....STOP in the middle of two lanes and start backing up to get off the onramp

UNFRIGGINBELIEVABLE
 
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"He cut right in front of the guy trying to cross the street," he said. "The pedestrian almost had to come to a stop."
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I generally agree with this entire thread, but this quote makes me laugh.
It reads as if the pedestrian had to screech to a smoking halt.
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I didn't know there was a law about failing to yield to pedestrians...I always have to wait on people to turn when I'm walking home.
I nailed some lady's SUV with my coke once.
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I was walking back from the store with my daughter in her stroller and was crossing the driveway of a highschool when some soccor mom in her urban tank just about mowed us over to make a lft across traffic. I threw my 32oz coke at her tank and scared the [censored] out of her.
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At first she was all uppity but when she saw how pissed Iw as about her failure to yeild and damn near hitting my daughter, she just punched it and took off.

I remember being told in drivers ed that pedestrians always ahve the right of way. even if they technically dont. (like crossing without the signal) Didnt anybody else get taught this?
 
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Yup, even when pedestrians are wrong (and should be ticketed for it), they have the right of way.

But I'm still trying to wrap my mind around this... ok so these are COPS right... and they are specifically looking to ticket people for actual dangerous driving behavior... not lazily sitting on the side of the highway randomly pulling over people from the 10mph over the low-speedlimit flow of traffic to collect their taxes at the end of the month? I... I would need to see this in person.

I call BS!
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i have yet to witness it, but the news said that the officers are actually going to take a step off the curb and ticket motorists that don't yield.
Now do you get to give the officer a “citizens, ticket” for illegally crossing the road. That I feel is wrong. The pedestrian should be ticketed for illegally crossing the road. IF they wanted to be fair, they should watch for incidents of this actually happening, and then ticket BOTH the jaywalker, AND the driver at the same time for breaking the law.

In the area the officers are patrolling there is a University building on one side of the street, and a parking garage on the other for the school. There used to be a jaywalking problem, but the city has since installed a fend between the sidewalk, and the street all the way down the road on each side, forcing pedestrians to either walk all the way to the crosswalk, or exert more energy to jump the fence (and the whole point of jaywalking is laziness, so it works very well!
Who says theywill be jaywalking? Have you ever just tried crossing a street at a stopsign or stop light? It can be VERY dangerous due to idiot drivers!
 
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Well don’t forget I live in a dense part of the country. It’s not possible to just “wait” for all the cars to turn before you can cross the street, because the intersection will NEVER fully clear. The only thing that stops the cars from turning is when they get a red light. At that point the walk signal is over too though, and through traffic starts to go.

I don’t know if any of you have ever driven in NYC but right turn on red is completely banned, just like Germany. Unless there is a sign specifically permitting a right on red, you can not make it. The reason is there is always pedestrians crossing the street, and too many people don’t respect them in the crosswalk.

My city has not yet completely banned right on red, but almost every intersection with a traffic light, has signage banning a right on red…

It might be cheaper to just ban right on red, unless otherwise posted at this point, it would save them on signs!
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In missouri they started cracking down on fast lane slow drivers
That is good.
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Too bad they don't do that in Florida since it is so bad here.I wish they would but it would probably take an entire army to enforce it since way too many old people do it.
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