[waynenewton]

i wish. but i know it wont happen

 

[Jared]

OMG how funny would that be if we got a Falcon XR-whateveritscalled ute before we ever got a C1 Focus.

I think that would certainly be a sign that the end of days is near :lol:

 

[SilverSVT]

It is that easy, they just haven't done it because they don't really know what the american public wants past big SUV's and Trucks...... And now the Asians are starting to make better SUV's and trucks......

Give me a break...where are the "cheap" european cars? most VW's start in the high Teens...not excactly cheap

I also dont see Toyota nor Nissain making much headway into the Truck market..the Titan has been a flop and Toyota has been at it for years, yet they dont come close to the yearly sales of the F-series...

 

[igor2]

OMG how funny would that be if we got a Falcon XR-whateveritscalled ute before we ever got a C1 Focus.

I think that would certainly be a sign that the end of days is near :lol:

Well given the fact that we will never get C1 Focus.. hmm.. If we ever get this it will be her before C1.. since by the time we would get World Focus it will be C2 (or whatever they will call it)

Igor

 

[speedhero]

I swear I've seen those headlights on an American Ford convertible car....

 

[Thameth]

Give me a break...where are the "cheap" european cars? most VW's start in the high Teens...not excactly cheap

I also dont see Toyota nor Nissain making much headway into the Truck market..the Titan has been a flop and Toyota has been at it for years, yet they dont come close to the yearly sales of the F-series...

Get off my jock already please....... enough of your trolling around trying to throw random opposite theories to everyone of my posts.

Titan isn't a flop.... What planet do you live on? F-Series sales, sure you want inflated fleet sales numbers of course both the Silverado and F-series blow everything away, but companies are sucked into massive million dollar purchases of thousands of American vehicles at HUGE discounts. Only reason Toyota hasn't "officially" blown away the big two, they don't have the fleet sales, but their consumer sales are probably waaay ahead of Ford/Chevy.

 

[FrescoFoci]

i can only hope a decision is made around 2008/9... will be in the market for a second car

 

[secondechomatt]

I originally posted, and like most others, said, yeah that'd be nice, but I don't see it happening. Now though, I'm hearing the rumor mill begin to start churning. And I ain't talkin bout the one at my Grandma's bridge game either! There is definately something in the works, but what exactly? who knows.

 

[SilverSVT]

Get off my jock already please....... enough of your trolling around trying to throw random opposite theories to everyone of my posts.

Titan isn't a flop.... What planet do you live on? F-Series sales, sure you want inflated fleet sales numbers of course both the Silverado and F-series blow everything away, but companies are sucked into massive million dollar purchases of thousands of American vehicles at HUGE discounts. Only reason Toyota hasn't "officially" blown away the big two, they don't have the fleet sales, but their consumer sales are probably waaay ahead of Ford/Chevy.

Lets get some facts here:

Titan Sales:

Nissan originally targeted around 100,000 sales annually for its Titan truck, a figure which many in the industry considered perhaps overly prudent. Yet, after a few months of being on sale, the Titan is rang in around 5,300 units per month. At that pace, Nissan is on track to sell around 64,000 Titans per year. Nissan’s miscalculation of the market’s acceptance of the Titan has lead to inventories in excess of a 100 days’ supply. This is well above the industry average of around half that figure.

http://www.automotivearticles.com/123/Nissan_Truck_Sales_Stumble.shtml


More up to date info:

Monthly sales:
September 2005: 7015
September 2004: 7903

http://www.pickuptruck.com/html/otf0999.html

It did even worse that month...if you happen to check out that webpage, you'll notice that the F-Series sells every MONTH what the Titan has done for the whole year

Give me a ****ing break about Toyota blowing away Ford or GM...just in truck sales alone, the F-series blows the Camary away in sales, roughly doubling it. Yes there are incentives on the vechicle, but its not selling an extra 400K units each year over what the Camary sells.

Get yourself a clue...And hey all I'm doing is providing facts that get so convently glossed over by people like you, and if you dont like that, don't post BS here and I've been here for nearly 5 years now...so dont be calling me a troll.

 

[LemonGT]

If it was that easy, you think they would have done it by now?

Two different automotive worlds...the US market and the European Market...our market is made of disposible "appliance" type cars that are used every day to do what we need to get done. In Europe a Car is more or less a Luxury and not a "right" as many people think it is here...

That's why VW is doing so bad right? Besides Mecury is supposed to be a more upscale company for Ford. They should be like Acura is for Honda.

 

[SilverSVT]

That's why VW is doing so bad right? Besides Mecury is supposed to be a more upscale company for Ford. They should be like Acura is for Honda.

But in Price Lincoln is closer to Acura. I have no idea what VW is doing these days anyways...but heard they where hurting at one point in time in the US. I just dont get how people can assume that European cars (esp Ford ones) are so much more supriour then their American counter parts. Hell if any if you are old enough to remember, Ford did this once already...they brought over the Ford of Europe Sierra and the Scoripo in the Mid to late 80's and both cars BOMBED badly. I've heard horror stories about the XR4Ti (Serria)...

More info:

By mid-1989, prices on Merkurs were drastically reduced at many dealers (sometimes by as much as $10,000) in order to get customers interested in the product. However, this action was not enough to overcome the obstacles the Merkur division faced, and just before the end of 1989, Ford officially announced the Merkur division was to be canceled. By the end of what had been a 2 1/2 year sales period (late-1987 to early-1990), only 22,010 Scorpios had found homes in the U.S. and Canada (16,093 for model year 1988, 5,917 for model year 1989, with a handful of 1989 models sold new in 1990 as there was no 1990 model year Scorpio). The XR4Ti sold only 42,464 in it's run of nearly 5 years (late-1984 to late-1989)

 

[BLUE_02_ZX3]

how much money would ford have if they STOPPED rebadging their cars and promoting a whole new line of cars, i.e. mercury and used that $$$ to boost ford sales?

 

[SilverSVT]

how much money would ford have if they STOPPED rebadging their cars and promoting a whole new line of cars, i.e. mercury and used that $$$ to boost ford sales?

Its cheaper to spruse up a model then it is to make it cheaper. Just look at the Mariner vs the Escape. I like the Mariner better since it has nicer interior and I like the look a bit better. Its also a bit more expesive then the Escape. Ford is branded as a everyman/womans car, where as Mercury is supposed to be slightly more upmarket and appealing to women.

 

[Thameth]

It did even worse that month...if you happen to check out that webpage, you'll notice that the F-Series sells every MONTH what the Titan has done for the whole year

Give me a ****ing break about Toyota blowing away Ford or GM...just in truck sales alone, the F-series blows the Camary away in sales, roughly doubling it. Yes there are incentives on the vechicle, but its not selling an extra 400K units each year over what the Camary sells.

Get yourself a clue...And hey all I'm doing is providing facts that get so convently glossed over by people like you, and if you dont like that, don't post BS here and I've been here for nearly 5 years now...so dont be calling me a troll.

Titan is in its first design cycle of course its not going to take over F-Series and Silverado sales, but its doing quiet well and better than the big two expected, even if it didn't technically reach Nissans inflated sales goals.

I guess you missed my fleet sales comment huh???

Just because you've been here for that amount of time doesn't mean your not trolling now..... Keep following people around and badgering all their posts on purpose and see how far it gets you.

 

[SilverSVT]

Titan is in its first design cycle of course its not going to take over F-Series and Silverado sales, but its doing quiet well and better than the big two expected, even if it didn't technically reach Nissans inflated sales goals.

I guess you missed my fleet sales comment huh???

Just because you've been here for that amount of time doesn't mean your not trolling now..... Keep following people around and badgering all their posts on purpose and see how far it gets you.

And using your train of thought...how do you explain why the T100/Tundra haven't been a break way success yet? Toyoda is on its 3 generation "large" truck, yet I don't see it doing even a quarter of what Ford or GM does. Don't twist facts around about the Titan, and as I pointed out before, its sales YTD as of September 2005 aren't anything spectacular. Do you have any information to back up that Ford or GM where like OMG we can't compete against the Titan? Or is this something pulled out of your ass?

Whats your point about Fleet Sales? I'm sure that a percentage of truck sales are though the fleet, I'm certain that doesn't explain why Ford or GM sells nearly 400K more Trucks then what the Camry does in a year..and 10-15% of Camry sales are to fleets..

As for Trolling, since when does having an opposing view point, back up by facts, considered trolling? You have a view point and I have a view point, so I share my side to counter what you say. I guess since your a moderator, if you dont like someone, you can treaten them.

If you have an issue with me posting in the same thread as you, drop me a PM or something.

 

[jinstall]

But in Price Lincoln is closer to Acura. I have no idea what VW is doing these days anyways...but heard they where hurting at one point in time in the US. I just dont get how people can assume that European cars (esp Ford ones) are so much more supriour then their American counter parts. Hell if any if you are old enough to remember, Ford did this once already...they brought over the Ford of Europe Sierra and the Scoripo in the Mid to late 80's and both cars BOMBED badly. I've heard horror stories about the XR4Ti (Serria)...

More info:

WOW I can't believe you actually wrote this. The Ford Europe cars ARE far more superior than any of it's crappy counterparts in the US to include the Focus. The quality of the material are much better and the engine options are better as well. You also get what you pay for. The Ford Escort in europe is way better than ANY Escort built in North America. The Contour/Mystic are garbage compared to the Mondeo. We will see how the 500 fairs as it is based on the current Mondeo. The XR4Ti ans Scorpio were never broght with the good drive trains in them to the US. I am sure that there would have been many more sold had the Cosworth engine option been sold in NA. The Scorpio was never a good seller in Europe either.

 

[igor2]

WOW I can't believe you actually wrote this. The Ford Europe cars ARE far more superior than any of it's crappy counterparts in the US to include the Focus. The quality of the material are much better and the engine options are better as well. You also get what you pay for. The Ford Escort in europe is way better than ANY Escort built in North America. The Contour/Mystic are garbage compared to the Mondeo. We will see how the 500 fairs as it is based on the current Mondeo. The XR4Ti ans Scorpio were never broght with the good drive trains in them to the US. I am sure that there would have been many more sold had the Cosworth engine option been sold in NA. The Scorpio was never a good seller in Europe either.

OK I cannot believe YOU wrote this..

For startes: 500 (PLEASE PEOPLE CALL IT Fivehundred) is not based on mondeo platform..it is based on volvo S80 platform... sompletely different story.. the MOndeo is MUCH smaller than even Fusion, let alone Fivehundred.

Second, current and recent Ford cars are worse in quality compared to Europeaan cars, but that had much more to do with the US/ NA market than Ford NA being Stupid. Beck in late 90's and early 2000 people demanded anthing smaller than an Accord to be dirt cheap.. now times are changing and Ford is respong.. slowly however.

Third, the fact that current European Fords are better quality does not mean they are well suited for US market.. The Moneo would bomb like it's no one's bussiness, because it is too small and too bland. (Look At MAzda6 and Acuare TSX.. they are both based on European car and are both too small for the US midsize market)
European design tastes are different from US tastes.. hencen Ford's recent announcement to do away with European look... they are moving to where Toyota and Honda have been for a while: They build their cars on same platforms, and motly give them the same interior, but the exterior needs to be tailord to different market.. hence European Corolla lokos different from US Corolla. the same goes for Civic, the same is with Opel Astra/ chevy Cobalt etc... Straight up european design does well in niche makes like Volvo and Vdub.. but not in mass makes like Ford, Honda and Toyota..

Igor

 

[SilverSVT]

WOW I can't believe you actually wrote this. The Ford Europe cars ARE far more superior than any of it's crappy counterparts in the US to include the Focus. The quality of the material are much better and the engine options are better as well. You also get what you pay for. The Ford Escort in europe is way better than ANY Escort built in North America. The Contour/Mystic are garbage compared to the Mondeo. We will see how the 500 fairs as it is based on the current Mondeo. The XR4Ti ans Scorpio were never broght with the good drive trains in them to the US. I am sure that there would have been many more sold had the Cosworth engine option been sold in NA. The Scorpio was never a good seller in Europe either.

I'm not disagreeing that Ford of Europe Cars are better then what we get in the US. I would hope so, since on avg they Cost more If Ford didn't have to pay out nearly 2K per vehicle to cover its UAW costs, I'm sure Ford of NA cars would be nicer. Bringing over more expensive vehicles in the form of Ford of Europe cars wouldn't be the solution...they would be worse off because they would have to charge more on avg then they are doing now! I'm sure if Ford had an extra 1-2K they could put into their vehicles, they would be alot closer to their European counterparts in the materials dept. This also makes me wonder why Japanese don't spend that extra money since they dont have to compete with it. I've been in a Civic and a Camary, and I wasn't that impressed by the quaitly of the plastics...they where roughly the same as what I've seen in recent Ford products.

To bring up another point about the US market vs the European market...Cars in the States are appliances...made cheap and are thrown away every couple years. Look at what Honda did, though brought over the European Accord as a Acura, why aren't they selling both models as an Accord in the US? Most likely because it costs too much for that market that the US Accord is occupying and thus wouldn't make much money or lose money on it.

 

[secondechomatt]

FIGHT! FIGHT! :lol:

 

[SilverSVT]

FIGHT! FIGHT! :lol:

I think we should close this thread...its European cars vs American Cars for elevenbillonth time...