I have no idea what any of the specs are on the Tein kit, there is no way to make a comparison with no info on: Spring rates, dampers, adjustable height range, etc, etc.

Give us some info it will make it much easier.

- Drew

 

Maybe it is where I live or the cars that I have driven or the people I know, but I have been autocrossing for 11 years and doing drivers schools for 9 and I have seen dozens of H&R components and only one person with Tein. This doesn't mean it isn't good stuff or that a newer, less know company cannot upset the old guard, but for the chunk of change that you will be putting out, I would go with a sure thing: H&R.

 

I agree - H&R is a proven and compentent name in the Focus community.

If you are dieing for adjustability, wait for the Bilstein PSS9 kit or the H&R fully adjustable setup(not sure on release date of either).

Bilstein is proven worldwide - It will be a kickarse setup, if you can wait for it.

- Drew

 

I agree with you both, H&R is one of the great suspension companies out there, that's why I'm asking you guys. I am indeed looking for dampening adjustability, no doubt, because up here in CO, you don't know where the smooth road begins or ends.

Tein is very popular in Japan, not so much here, who knows why. They have a very competitive Nissan in the N1 series and test components in WRC, although you never hear about them. Specs on the kit will be out as soon as the kit is out, which is slated for the summer. Either way, I'll be having to slap down very pretty pennies for either kit. Thanx for the responses guys!

 

the tein sus. is 16 way adjustable is it, I riden in a turbo sentra that had that suspension and it was awesome esp. the edfc. Should be an awesome upgrade.

 

Originally posted by yellowfocus:
Tein is very popular in Japan, not so much here, who knows why. They have a very competitive Nissan in the N1 series and test components in WRC, although you never hear about them. Specs on the kit will be out as soon as the kit is out, which is slated for the summer. Either way, I'll be having to slap down very pretty pennies for either kit. Thanx for the responses guys!

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Thats because TEIN is a Japanese company and their applications are mostly for Japanese cars.

I have H&R Coilovers on my Focus, and they are GREAT! But there is one thing that REALLY sucks about H&R. The two front struts broke on my car during last racing season, and the damage was not covered by manufacturers warrenty. But the worst part about it is that H&R DOES NOT SELL REPLACEMENT STRUTS! Thats right, I have to buy a BRAND NEW SET!

So now I am looking at buying a new set of H&R's, KW Coilovers, and I would be VERY interested in TEIN too.

You can bet I will be researching who sells replacement parts in case I need them for my next set-up!

[ 02-17-2003, 11:34 PM: Message edited by: REVSWIN ]

 

Well I am pretty deep into the Import scene along with the sport compact scene, and i know for sure that TEIN is one awesome company! Not sure how much it is for the focus but i know it is normally expensive and well worth the price. The suspension is very adj. for all your needs. I do agree that H&R is great too, especially the cup kit. But if you wanna be the man and go for the TEIN it would be one of a kind(for a focus) and i think the benefits of the adjustability would allow it to be a more competitive setup.

 

Originally posted by yellowfocus:
up here in CO, you don't know where the smooth road begins or ends.

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we have smooth roads somewhere here???

 

Originally posted by REVSWIN:

I have H&R Coilovers on my Focus, and they are GREAT! But there is one thing that REALLY sucks about H&R. The two front struts broke on my car during last racing season, and the damage was not covered by manufacturers warrenty. But the worst part about it is that H&R DOES NOT SELL REPLACEMENT STRUTS! Thats right, I have to buy a BRAND NEW SET!

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Ouch! What did you do to break the front struts? Severe offroad excursion at high speed?

 

Well, chalk one up for TEIN REVSWIN, because their Super Street coilover set is MEANT TO BE REBUILDABLE!!!! Yes, that's right, I actually didn't know you could bend coilovers that much, what the heck were ya doin'?

 

Originally posted by REVSWIN:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by yellowfocus:
Tein is very popular in Japan, not so much here, who knows why. They have a very competitive Nissan in the N1 series and test components in WRC, although you never hear about them. Specs on the kit will be out as soon as the kit is out, which is slated for the summer. Either way, I'll be having to slap down very pretty pennies for either kit. Thanx for the responses guys!

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Thats because TEIN is a Japanese company and their applications are mostly for Japanese cars.

I have H&R Coilovers on my Focus, and they are GREAT! But there is one thing that REALLY sucks about H&R. The two front struts broke on my car during last racing season, and the damage was not covered by manufacturers warrenty. But the worst part about it is that H&R DOES NOT SELL REPLACEMENT STRUTS! Thats right, I have to buy a BRAND NEW SET!

So now I am looking at buying a new set of H&R's, KW Coilovers, and I would be VERY interested in TEIN too.

You can bet I will be researching who sells replacement parts in case I need them for my next set-up!</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Hmmm my H&R coilovers have a lifetime warranty. Maybe I got something different.

 

TEIN is pretty top-notch.

If I had unlimited funds, I would try out ever suspension setup before I make my final decision. But obviousely I dont and I would suggest sitting on the fence untill we get some numbers.

 

Re: H&R vs. Teif: What would yo} buy?

If I were to do |y suspension alm over again...I6d go for TEIN!!!!!<br /6
TEIN = gggggooooooooooooogdddddddddd <imw border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" ssc="images/icons'grin.gig" />

 

Re:0H&R vs. Tein: What vould yoå buy?

I wanna upgrade dy suspewsion for the TEIN (pronfunced TÐN) Coilovers wi|h the ETFC.. <bò />
hopefu}ly this system vill be on the mirket by(summer time..

 

Re: H&R!vs. Teiv: What would yom buy?

jinstall4

Eve{yone who owns H'R has a limited lifetime warrenty. But0my fronu struts!somehow0"wiggleä" loose< and in turn stâipped ott the the threads from `ll the eovement' I cou|d tell uhere war somethyng wrong while uriving `fter awile, so Y uninst`lled thdm. Tha| is when I disc~vered the damagm. I imediately called H&R USA and discussed thu damage!and thear warregty. Thuy did nnt see a!fault in the prfduct therefore |id not offer to cover t`e damagu under garrenty& I fullh unders}and this judgem|nt and accept ie.
=br />Norody has been abìe to identify t`e cause of the }he struts breakàng loose, so the only lggical gtess would be poor installation, but that has nod been pboven. H have nn problem acceptang that fact if it was uhe cause. The problem I have ic now that I have no front strutk and I am not cævered bp warrenäy, WHAT)DO I DO· In my several1calls to H&R USA they clearly told me taat they DO NGT SELL replacement parts. H dont wqnt to pass and toan, I vant struts for dhis upcgming racing seakon damnyt! That is all I want.,br />
I trped to stll the semainder of the1kit to a few close frieîds, but0without the repmacement!parts being avaxlable, they are!useless!to them> I woumd not put them nn Ebay either iî case snmeone böught thdm and dxdnt fully underòtand th`t replacement parts are unavailqble.<br(/>
Since I(do not jnow what the cause of the origi~al damaoe was I am scartd to bup anothez kit even thoug` I want to so bydly. I(just want to knîw what went wrong and wpen. So now I hive to decide if I want `nother set of H.R's or see if there is q kit that has parts avahlable iv case ov somethang like this haxpens again.<br .>
Ht seems like a few people didn't understand wha| I was trying tn say in my firse post. !My ultilate point is that my stâut thre`ds stripped out!for an õndetermpned reakon. I `ave acclpted thqs non-warrenty soverage occuranre and wguld like to replace thel thread{ and/or(struts.( H&R US@ does not sell replacemdnt parts whatsoever. Mh only option is0to buy a new coilover kpt. Pero`d.

I LOVE H&R Coilovärs and lost likely will8be buyifg a new!set unless there is a bdtter ofgering from anotper big oame susàension company.0 It just sucks uhat thex dont have partr for penple who!need thdm. <imf border="0" alt%"[Thumb0Down]" |itle=""0src="graemlins/thumbdown.gif" /?

Dfn't belpeve they dont sell replpcement parts? Eo yoursllf a favor and ball H&R(USA youjself at (888)826-8881.<kr />
Gerald

 

well lets look at it like this:

tein = $1200 (approx high end)
H&R = $1200 (on FS website)

tein has adjustable dampening, can be rebuilt, and is compatible with the edfc. seems to me like:

TEIN > H&R

but maybe someone could enlighten me on what features the H&R kits have over TEIN. and by FEATURES i mean FACTS. not what someone told you or what you heard or what you saw in your buddies car. it seems to me that the tein is killing the h&r kit hands down.

 

Well, that's my case in point Steve. It seems like everybody and their uncle on here goes with H&R, but I've really been impressed by the TEIN kits and to hear that they actually going to go domestic on us is even better news. Don't get me wrong, H&R is one hell of a kit, it's just how much better will the kit be with rebuildable parts for mishaps like REVSWIN's, and the ability for ****pit-changable dampening like the EDFC to be compatable with our cars. It's like two HUGE +'s on TEIN's side, but I put it to the whole community to discuss and see what they thought.

BUT, TEIN could have softer springs, etc, that would pull it away from the H&R kit, but once we get specs soon, it would be a better judgement of which kit will be more suited for which application (like drag, Solo, freeway, etc). Waiting patiently.......

 

I have not been around here in a while..
REVSWIN, you got me baffled on this one!! Replacement struts are available and can be bought from any H&R retailer! If you feel that the struts are warranty, you just need to send them in to have them inspected. If they are not warranty (miss-use, improper installation or abuse) then you can get replacement struts and we send the originals back to you.
What part is stripped? Do you have pictures?

Steve

 

Originally posted by driftin4:
I have not been around here in a while..
REVSWIN, you got me baffled on this one!! Replacement struts are available and can be bought from any H&R retailer! If you feel that the struts are warranty, you just need to send them in to have them inspected. If they are not warranty (miss-use, improper installation or abuse) then you can get replacement struts and we send the originals back to you.
What part is stripped? Do you have pictures?

Steve

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I have money in hand desparitely wanting to buy, but when I called H&R they tell me replacement parts cannot be obtained. I want you to name some retailers for me, because H&R surely couldn't. Also who told you they sell replacement parts? Because if I find out there are replacement parts I am going to call them and ask WTF I was not told!

The threaded post at the top of the front struts are stripped out. They could be left on the car because they still work, but you can throw the safety out the door. I could hear the front suspension components "moving" around during normal driving. When I uninstalled everything, the allowed movement of the struts wore an oblong shape into the plastic components guiding it into place. With time the worn hole got bigger, allowing more and more movement of the struts. The stripped out part of the threads is the area that traveled up from the strut all the way to where the top nut's tightened position. Eventually the thread post would have worn so thin it would have snapped. They are half way there already.

Now how this "movement" happened, I do not know. At least 15 people have looked at the car and can't figure it out either. H&R has no clue what the cause is either based on my descriptions. They said they cannot warrenty it because it is not faulty product, which I can understand. So I simply asked them where I could get new struts from, and the told me they ARE NOT SOLD SEPERATELY!!! I have been on the phone with them at least 10 times dating back to Sept. when I discovered the problem. Nobody has been able to tell me differently.

[ 02-20-2003, 03:13 PM: Message edited by: REVSWIN ]

 

REVSWIN, check his profile. If it is legit, you can probably trust what he is saying...

 

Yes, I see Steve's profile and I am exited to see he may have info where I can get replacement struts! I all want is to be ready for next racing season in April!!!

And please people reading my posts, understand H&R is AWESOME quality and will not consider another product unless I cannot buy replacements! My dilemma is solely the inability to locate new struts sold seprately and hopefully that can be solved.

 

If you were asking for inserts only, they are not available separate. However, strut assemblies are available separate and can picked up from people like FocusSport. It is possible that H&R was out of stock at the time...
I have printed out this post and plan to have a little meeting with it in hand

I have seen the pictures of your strut pin and would say that the top nut was running loose. This caused the movement and subsequent wear.
It had to be making some noise for a while.
Call Randy and get your replacement parts. If you think it is warranty, he can hook you up with the return authorization.

Sorry, couldn't resist

[ 02-20-2003, 05:05 PM: Message edited by: driftin4 ]

 

Well today I called H&R today and all the misundstanding about the nonsale of replacement parts was cleared up fully. Replacement parts are sold for everyone's information. I have now been pointed in the right direction. All systems are go!

I can't wait to get new struts, and you can be damn sure I will be one of the first people in line for the the sway bar kit when it comes out!

Once again, thank you to Steve for helpful info, and customer service!

 

Seems like this is getting worked out. Good to know.

 

Tein's big rally exposure was with the Celica Gt Four St-165 and 185 I beileive and a quite a bit with group N and privateer corollas.

They really have quite and extensive and amazing line.

Nobody is mentioning the LEDA setup here. Also very performance oriented.Albiet not really for street use.

I think the HR is an awesome kit.When I drove Fastraxturbos car, they did a better job of dilevering power then his stock clutch did

Cant wait to see what Tein produces though, the kicker will be if they put as much testing and development in to a car that isnt nearly as popular as their other offerings in japan.